• TerribleSyntax@alien.topB
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    “In the end I was right” tells me all I need to know.
    No, he wasn’t. Even if his reanimen save all of the human race he was still wrong

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    All you have to do is think of the presented alternatives, which are: kill the guy, or lock him up and throw away the key. So yeah, this is better. Mark is being juvenile and his whole arc makes that painfully clear.

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    I mean you could at least argue Mark eventually comes around on it for a while at least, that’s like the whole Dino arc

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    Yes and no.

    Yes, the knowledge that was bought with blood and cruelty should be used to make the world a better place, the victims are at least owed that their pain was not for nothing.

    No, you dont get to be Josef Mengele, say sorry and get to live a nice cozy life. At best his further - ethical - research should be rewarded with a less uncomfortable incarcaration

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    The ends do not justify the means.

    This feels very similar to the trolley problem: a trolley is bearing down on 5 people tied to a track, you have the option to push 1 person in front of the track to stop it dead. Do you?

    My answer is always no, do nothing. I don’t have the power to decide who lives and dies.

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      You could argue you have two choices.

      Do nothing or pull the lever.

      Doing nothing seems like your removing yourself but you are still making a decision.

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        Obviously the whole point of it is that it’s supposed to be a hard to answer question and there is no answer righter than the other. It’s all down to personal philosophy and morals.

        Theoretically the way I see it is if I do nothing then I’ve taken no part in the death of any person, which again isn’t my decision to make. If I push the person or pull the lever, then I’ve actively participated in killing somebody.

        Now in practice, if I was actually presented with this scenario in real life the outcome could be different. It’s simple maths at the end of the day, either 1 person dies or 5. Maybe I would pull the lever because knowing that I could’ve saved 5 people would probably play on any sane persons conscience.

        The variations of the trolley problem are where it gets truly interesting, for instance what if to save the 5 people you had to kill 1 child? Killing a child is obviously seen as much more heinous than killing an adult, quite rightly. So how many adults is a child’s life worth? 10? 20? How many does it take for someone to pull the lever?

        What if it was a dog? Their lives are seen as not being as valuable as a humans, so would you kill a dog to save a person? What about 5? 10?

        Would you push the man who is going to cure cancer to save 5 thieves and other petty criminals?

        Such an interesting philosophical question.

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          I think the reason you are opposed to pulling the lever in the trolly problem is relevant.

          You don’t think it’s acceptable to kill some innocent people to save some innocent people.

          Which I mostly agree depending on the hypothetical scenario.

  • Garlan_Tyrell@alien.topB
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    I never bought the temporary insanity, I think Cecil put him on some advanced psychopharmaceuticals and cured his insanity.

    Geniuses don’t become monsters just because they’re right and need to go to extremes to prove it, and monsters don’t become docile just because they’re given funding.

    That being said, his character survives the downfall of the GDA, so I think he was cured for good, and it’s not an ongoing thing.

    • DeficiencyOfGravitas@alien.topB
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      cured his insanity.

      He didn’t cure his insanity. He treated it. Sinclair was not cured. He was treated.

      It’s a very important difference when it comes to mental illness. There are no cures. Only treatment.

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      Geniuses don’t become monsters just because they’re right and need to go to extremes to prove it, and monsters don’t become docile just because they’re given funding.

      But this does seem to be a common sentiment, at least in-universe if not the comic itself. Robot’s utopia largely operated on hearing would-be villains out

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      Yeah Sinclair has one of the best arcs in the series: from villain to useful genius to rebel hero to… based on the end when he had switched his lab coat for a suit… one of the leaders of the GDA.

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    Cecil’s a master manipulator. I don’t believe anything he says without proof

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    Sinclairs “I feel better since I know it had to be done” doesn’t sit well with me

    Bullet to the skull I say.

    He could have used fucking mice or something. But noooo.

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    Is it clarified if the Cadavers volunteered for it when alive because that’s the big difference. It wasn’t ok when OCP did it to RoboCop, he signed a contract so he could be an officer and protect people, he clearly didn’t anticipate what they ended up doing with him. And the things Sinclair did to very alive people aren’t forgivable.

    • Suspicious-Tea9161@alien.topB
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      I could be remembering it wrong but weren’t the newer reanimen that they used against Omni Man made from fallen soldiers? It doesn’t guarantee anything, but they’re probably more likely to have volunteered for it by enlisting, whether they’re aware of it or not