c’mon, that can’t be it - >!isaac being rude and unfair to colin for days (weeks?) “just” because he was hurt colin hadn’t told him he was gay!<.
throughout the episodes i kept thinking: there must be something more, something deeper. >!when isaac showed up at colin’s place i was sure we’d get some emotional story or insight into isaac’s life. but no:!<
!“you lied to me. for years.” !<
!and:!<
!“What is it about me that made you think you couldn’t tell me?”!<
!i GET that isaac would ask himself that. but colin didn’t keep just this from him, he kept it from anyone; why would isaac feel that he should take it so personally? yes, the two of them have been shown to have some bond over bullying nate in S1, but other than that i don’t remember them being shown to be sooo close that it would justify isaac making the whole thing about himself.!<
what am i missing here?
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When I rewatched the show for the 3rd time it seemed pretty clear they were besties.
They say at the beginning of the season that Isaac is really good at Reading body language. Turns out that he has read Colin, one of his closest friends completely wrong.
Also, in the first few episodes (before Jamie left) Isaac and Colin were douche-y to Nate and just kinda buttheads. Once the team came together it was clear Isaac and Colin tried to do better on all levels. It probably stung that he’s been trying so hard and his friend was still worried about his reaction.
Not only were they friends before but his friend wasn’t honest with him. Also, Isaac seems like the kind of person who gets in his head and internalizes things…He was stewing on it for a while before going to Colin.
This, plus i think he is kinda like Roy where he won´t really let people in, but he let Colin in and then got hurt because he thought Colin didn´t see their friendship the same way he did.
I had a problem with this, too, and I have a close friend — he’s a psychotherapist — who quit Ted Lasso over the Colin/Isaac subplot. He thought it was really poorly written and developed. He thought that we needed more clear early examples that they were great friends outside of the locker room; we needed more of a picture of why Isaac might be unable to handle Colin’s reveal. The viewer gets left way too long with a sense that Isaac is a real jerk, and even though it eventually plays out well, it left us with a really unpleasant view of Isaac, which is wrong and unnecessary. It’s like the show itself was encouraging us to be judgmental instead of curious.
One of my few criticisms of the show. (Shandy is the other.)
They show in season 1 that they’re close. Not explicitly them, but as part of Jamie’s clique. I really am not sure how people don’t see that.
I could see it on the rewatch. But I completely missed their friendship the first time, and I’m not alone.
Colin and Issac are very close friends. In the first season they aren’t even seen without the other one. He took it personally and was hurt deeply that his very close friend would have hidden something so important from him. He lied to him. I could see it making him feel like Colin didn’t trust him. Make him question how close they really were. He said to him “what is it about me that made you think you couldn’t tell me”. That’s a statement showing pain. It made him think he did something wrong or was flawed as a person.
In their next scene they say they love each other. They are more than just teammates or friends. That’s why Isaac was so offended.
I kinda have the same issues with that plot. I’ve decided my issue with it is that the riff lasted too long and Isaac comes off worse because of it.
It starts in the middle of episode 8 and then it isn’t touched on again until the next episode and then we get an entire episode essentially of Isaac handling the situation horribly at EVERY chance. And even though I know Isaac isn’t homophobic he keeps handling it SO poorly that you start second guessing it because what else could it be at this point. I remember when he removes his hand from Colin’s on the team cheer I was shocked and thought they were about to ruin Isaac’s character.
I understood his reasoning (even though I disagree with the way it was done) when he said it at the end, but it would have worked better if they started and ended that plot in the same episode, and maybe cut some of Isaac being awful.
They went waaay to far. Things should be weird between them but not straight up hostile, and he should have apologized for thinking he is owed a coming out.
I think it was unsaid but close to the surface that Isaac was disappointed with himself for a few reasons. First, because he reacted in a negative, possibly homophobic way. Second, because he’d not made it clear to Colin that he wasn’t homophobic, or that he’d made it clear that he was at least slightly homophobic. And lastly, all the lines that went with what he said - he wasn’t open and honest enough with Colin to make Colin comfortable enough about it.
His reaction was a bad one. He knew it.
I dunno if I just picked up on really subtle clues or something that wasn’t even there but it was clear.to me that Issac and Colin were more than just coworkers and teammates and were close friends.
I’ve seen it with friends and family when someone does come out to have the reaction and thought of “was there something I did to make them feel like they couldn’t tell me?” Obviously coming out is generally more an internal battle, and even if Colin was 99% sure his buddy Issac would be supportive, that 1% is terrifying.
Issac was projecting his own disappointment in himself to not read his friend better, to not have outwardly made it clear he was at the least not homophobic and at the most a strong ally. Colin was terrified of coming out to anyone on the team, Issac was feeling guilty.
I don’t think you picked up on anything that weren’t there, because the show played it as them being close friends.
I think it can be just that. Not everything is deep. Basic feelings can cause a lot of hurt and drama.
why were some people expecting Isaac to react in a mature manner? he reacted poorly, which was to be expected from his prior characterization. he got past it with time and grew, like most other characters on the show.
Yeah, it’s not like he threw a TV at him.
Issac could easily have RSD (Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria.) If so, his reaction is pretty spot on. If you’re affected by it, even small things can feel like a depressing blow. If your BFF was keeping a secret from you, you’d be like WTF did I do to deserve this!? I guess we’re not actually friends at all.
It’s really annoying to have.
Side question: in the last episode, >! at the wedding, is Issac’s girl possibly Colin’s boyfriend’s sister? The two dates seem to give each other a knowing look when the camera pans the gathering. !
Why does everything have to have a clinical diagnosis on Reddit? People make medical and psychological diagnoses for every situation. It wasn’t like Colin didn’t tell Isaac he had a third nipple or didn’t finish school. His was a major deal. He knew he was gay since he was a child.
Thats interesting. I have never heard about that, but it does seem to fit pretty Well with how i would describe Isaac. (And Roy). I saw somewhere that said the Girl was Anastacia, the one Nate went out with. But i don’t think it is. I feel like they focus on her long enough that it would be some kind of Callback to something. But i don’t know what.
I don’t think they would bring that cold “I’m the main character” bitch back.
That was not remotely the same woman.
How the heck did you do that fancy black out thing to cover up a spoiler? Wow! Amazing. Teach me your ways
I’m not sure which browsers or apps have that button because I can’t find it. What I always use is this,
Without the spaces: > !SAMPLE! <
Ohhhh Yeah. I don’t have a button….
!spoileralert! Testing 1 2 3!<
when you make a post, there’s a button you can use to hide parts of the text, right alongside the buttons that turn text bold, italic, and so on: it’s a small icon of a square with an exclamation point! select the text you wish to hide, click the button and BAM ur golden :D
Thank You! Going to have to try this
I accidentally shouted in a large bold font by using # at the beginning of the sentence.
#See?
#HaHa
The writers were trying to subvert expectations and trick the audience. They did the same thing with the last ep scene in Rebecca’s kitchen.
As a queer person. I’ve lived a similar Sitch. I read it as they are good friends and Isaac was incredibly ashamed of himself for not being safe enough for his close friend when he thought he was good. I had some similar reactions the second time I came out.
Isaac just proved Colin’s point in how he reacted.
Why couldn’t you just tell me?
Gee idk. When you did find out you completely shunned me and treated me like shit. Why oh why didn’t I feel safe telling you sooner?