I LOVE Alfonso Cuarón’s sci-fi action movie Children of Men. I’ve watched maybe six times and every time, the ending always almost brings me to tears. So when I learned it was adapted from P.D. James’ book of the same name, it was a no-brainer deciding what my next book would be.

After finishing the book, it wasn’t difficult to reach to the conclusion that I enjoyed the movie better.

While James’ book gives a more in-depth look at how human infertility and humanity’s slow death march towards extinction affects the sexual dynamic between men and women and almost demented ways humans try to cope with a world without children or a race of dead men walking, I feel the book dedicates WAY too much time describing the failing of human civilization and the Regrets and guilt of Theo Faron. It’s not even until after 2/3 through the book where it feels like the plot and story are properly paced and stuff of consequence actually begin to happen.

The film’s adaptation by, comparison, feels consistent in its pacing and the world building and woe-is-mes of Theo feel more compact a take up less of the audience’s time.

What books do you feel were worse than its film adaptation and why?

  • sunshinenorcas@alien.topB
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    I was so disappointed with the Terror-- I couldn’t put it down up until near the end with Crozier and Silna and going into the details of their life together-- ewwwwww.

    I was already really uncomfortable with how Silna was handled, especially because in real life, its well documented how much sexual violence native women face compared to other demographics, so having a very young girl be constantly half naked was already pretty uncomfortable, but then the end just took it to 11.

    Idk, cutting the romance and sexualization of Silna’s character and aging her up was one of the best decisions they made.

    It’s a shame too, because some parts of the book are so well done-- like, I had never realized how fucking awful scurvy is and what it does, or how deadly artic voyaging was. It’s clearly well researched, and there are some points that had me so stressed, but I can’t recommend it because of how much the bad outweighs the good and the damn ending.

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      I don’t know if you are familiar with Dan Simmons other work but he tends to have a self insert character that has lots of sexy sex with very sexy women.

      The Terror is one of his better ones with the historic backdrop toning down his usual tropes imo. It’s still creeps back in though, he just can’t help himself :(

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        Dan Simmons is really hit or miss with me, he’s written some books that I love, like the first two Hyperion novels, and some I hated, like the rest of the Hyperion novels.

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          I read the two Endymion books when I was 14 or 15 and at the time it completely went over my head how weird and creepy Aenea’s sexualization was. It was only when I read the series a second time in my late 20s that it hit me. She was twelve. Raul (the POV protagonist) was in his mid 30s.

          That said, the journey down the river story structure, the church intrigue, and the character of Father Captain De Soya really made the books work for me.

          Still, I can’t blame anyone for getting turned off by the ‘magic girl’ angle or the weird pseudopedophilia.

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          Even in the first Hyperion book the part with the badass warrior who has a ton of mind blowing sex with the time lady was awful and embarrassing to read

          I nearly put the book away rather than finish it. The only saving grace was the format of each character telling their story meant that shit was contained to its own chapter and I could speed past it

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        I read the vampire one and then Carrion Comfort. Holy CRAP with CC. That was some messed up shit!

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      You couldn’t put it down until you completed it? Crozier and Silna’s life together is only shown in the last few pages of the book.

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        It was when the relationship began, after Crozier woke up. It’s around the last ~150 pages of the book or so.

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      1 year ago

      Thank you for this, I am going to go release my hold on The Terror and def NOT read it bc…ugh. I had been on the fence anyway so I appreciate the insight and warning!!

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      Having the girl be nude and half-nude all the damn time felt especially ridiculous because in pretty much every scene without her in it, the book was taking such great pains to establish how absolutely freezing cold it was and the necessity of bundling up to avoid frostbite and hypothermia. And then she’d appear, topless. It was so blatantly obvious that it was just for fanservice reasons because it didn’t even make fucking sense.

      And word on her incredibly gross romance with Crozier, and the show making a great decision on making her an adult and cutting said romance.

      I was also irritated at the book’s depiction of Crozier’s ex - she felt like a gold-digging stereotype straight out of an incel forum. The show improved on things here too - it kept the character and her place in Crozier’s backstory, but had a lot more empathy for her.

      The depiction of homosexuality was another area where the show fixed things - in the book, the chief human antagonist, Hickey, was a gay man with a history of preying on children, until he’d found it more convenient to instead target mentally disabled adults, such as his current boyfriend/bodyguard. There’s another gay dude, and the second he’s introduced, the book goes off on a rant to let us know that he’s the good kind of homosexual, because he “never bragged of it,” and because he didn’t “bring his activities to sea,” and therefore he could be trusted not to be a pedophile. Unlike those guys who didn’t go celibate while out at sea for months or years on end, who are all predators, apparently.

      Meanwhile, in the show, Hickey was still gay and still a villain, but the two weren’t linked. He wasn’t a child molester, his boyfriend wasn’t mentally disabled, and the show definitely didn’t suggest that such behaviour was usual amongst gay men regardless of whether they were celibate at sea or not. The other gay dude is still there, and the show felt no need to introduce him with “Hey, this is Bridgens, he’s gay - but don’t worry, he’s actually not a child molester.”

      In the show, Bridgens is a nice normal dude who happens to be gay, Hickey is an evil little fucker who happens to be gay, and that’s all there is to it.