Other way around for me. I wouldn’t call the book subtle but that works for the overall feeling of excess in the book.

I agree the murder/rape scenes are terrible. Like I’ve never gone to reread the book and it feels weird to recommend to someone they are so bad. I think they do have some value to the plot, them being less disgusting and in your face, rather than being sheer exploitation but nothing subtle about it.

The film felt like it was just more silly and superficial though. I didn’t dislike it, Bale is fantastic. But it didn’t make a huge impression on me. The book certainly left an impression. The film entertained me, the book fucked me up.

It’s ok to be wrong.

But seriously you might not like them but you seem to recognise they have literary value. I think people would be pissy if you said “they are objectively badly written boring trash”, but not so much them just not being your thing which it seems is what you’re actually saying.

I remember being so excited for the Helms Deep scene that was so incredibly cool and drawn out, intense battle in the films.

You mean the Oxford proffesor obessesed with languages and mythology wrote a beautiful piece of art instead of an action blockbuster? Sorry couldn’t resist teasing you a bit, I love the books.

What fan of genre fiction hurt you buddy?