Yeah, at this point I’m not an ally to trans activists. As I’ve said repeatedly, I don’t approve of your tactics, so I don’t support your movement. You’re too angry to see that most of us are compassionate to your feelings, and all we’re asking is that you give the same respect to ours as we all try to figure this out together. Nobody “cis het” has to do anything to splinter you away from other groups. Your anger and hatred is doing that all on its own.

As a point of fact, nobody in the majority even has to form a club in order to set the social norms and mores for their society. We have a tradition of kindness and acceptance in the west, but it’s being interpreted falsely as a “right” of the minority groups to have anything they want, and that’s quite literally not part of the tradition.

Demanding fair treatment because fairness is part of our social fabric is a far different thing than demanding fair treatment “or else”. As a cis male (adopting that nomenclature is a concession I’ve been making out of respect, because it was not part of my lexicon prior to trans activism), I’ve been told multiple times that I can’t be an ally to the lgbtq+ community because of how I was born. As soon as I heard that I was both crestfallen and terrified for the future of the community. That was 7 years ago and it’s only gotten worse.

Please, just consider that I’m not saying I dislike you for who you are, but I think the way you’re engaging with this issue is counterproductive, and I can’t offer you support as you go about it.

Yeah, for better or worse, the vast majority of the world is “cis and heterosexual”, so using that as a reason to dismiss anything they say is not only logically incongruous with reality (where majority rule is the law of the land for very valid reasons), but it also forces people to draw battle lines unnecessarily. The trans community is asking people for some societal concessions that don’t make sense to much of the population, and instead of working to build coalitions when people express confusion, trans activists shout them down, label them, and dismiss them as “hateful”. From a political science perspective, it’s a slow rolling train wreck for minority rights. Not only is it a losing strategy for social change, but it alienates the minority group even further. It makes me sad. Truly.

So, I’m not from the UK and am not familiar with all the groups, but this is what Wikipedia says about LGB alliance: “The LGB Alliance describes its objective as “asserting the right of lesbians, bisexuals and gay men to define themselves as same-sex attracted”.” Your description of the group seems like it’s designed to mislead me even though you’re acting like you’re providing me with solid information. Basically, you smell like propaganda, and that’s a smell I’m trying to avoid thanks.

Why are you so angry?

You’re super smart.

We are all entitled to our opinions. I think that trans activism has gone too far and I no longer support it, specifically because of interactions like this. I looked at what she said, and it wasn’t hateful at all, it just didn’t blindly support trans ideology. If you have some quotes of hers you wanna share that you think might change my mind, please do.

Yeah, I had that same question months ago and got the same “google it” response. So I did, and now I feel bad for her. She has been labeled a severe “trans-phobe” for espousing very traditional feminist beliefs. It’s super sad but not for the reasons this sub would have you believe. I’ve been here for years and I can safely say that the authors haven’t changed radically, but this sub really has. Thought censorship in a literature sub. Think real hard about that.