@jwz@mastodon.social 's law in action…

I think there were some people doing that with whole seasons of 24, but it would take me a lot of coffee to be able to pull a whole day doing that. 15 hours falls into “I could do it, but I don’t know whether I should” territory…

Aside from that, how did you like the show? Is it just a modernized/revamped version of ER or is there something else to it?

A perfectly appropriate post to the community, downvoted like it’s spam. What is the problem here?

everybody shrugged it off and/or moved on. That’s acceptance.

Sorry, that’s a non-sequitur. Aside from his bootlickers and the already extremist voices, there might have a good amount of people trying to downplay it, or trying to excuse him for it, but no one in the mainstream looked at what he did and argued that it should be acceptable to go around making Nazi salutes.

If more people had started doing it after he did it, you’d be totally right. But after all the backlash it was clear that he didn’t get any support there.

Anyway, I feel like arguing over specific actions is not helpful when the Overton Window is more about shifts in cultural trends. I’d take the surge of “trad wife influencers” much more seriously as an example of “right shifting” than any controversy over what Elon or any asshole billionaire did or did not do.

If that was unacceptable by the mainstream, he wouldn’t have been able to keep his ceo positions or get his department

The mainstream has no direct influence over the Tesla board, and the ones that do have influence over the board are also interested in destroying the democratic institutions as much as possible.

Are you saying that it has become (a) politically acceptable and (b) by the mainstream to make Nazi salutes?

Of course you can find an extremist minority that would support any type of absurdity, but the Overton Window is about mainstream values. To say that the Overton Window is going right because of Musk’s factoids is as baseless as saying that it has gone left because of Jaguar’s latest campaign ad.

Let’s be real for a moment: imagine you are a high school kid growing up in the 90s and you hear rumors about one of your teachers being gay. There is a good chance most parents would be surprised at this, and even that some would be concerned about it. Today this is a nothing burger. Same if one of the classmates was raised by a single mom, or their parents were divorced.

Similar about usage of recreational drugs. We went from “I smoked but I didn’t inhale” in the Clinton’s years to “Of course I inhaled, the point was to get high!” from Obama and the biggest scandal around drugs nowadays are around vending machines for edibles close to school.

Depictions of non-traditional nuclear families were still frowned upon, today we make fun of Seinfeld and Friends as “the sitcoms where everyone was white”.

Any news about conflict in the middle east were always framed in terms of “terrorist attacks” in Jerusalem, nowadays the discussion is whether or not there is genocide in Gaza.

I have no doubt that the polarization is increased and that the extremes are getting further and further apart, but there are so many things that would be considered taboo then and are completely acceptable by the mainstream today, it’s impossible to look at all that and think mainstream society has regressed.

The Overton Window is about what is “politically acceptable by the mainstream”, not the values defended by the majority view. Pick anything that is openly discussed today on NBC and tell me how it would fare on Carter’s time.

I could make a list of 100, per year, but by making that kind of anchoring you just showed how you are the extremist one who is out of touch with reality.

Oh, that was funny!

Nice talking to you… good night.

You can have extreme polarization on both ends while the median gets moved to one direction, idiot.

The Overton window moved left?

Compared to when South Park started and was at its peak, it definitely moved left.

You can argue that there has been a rebound to the right post-2016 (which I wouldn’t really agree, but at least it would be understandable), but anyone from the 90’s who got transplanted to 2025 would be with no shadow of the doubt surprised at how much more accepting of progressive values society has become.

I keep forgetting that Lemmy is dominated by people under 30, which is the most annoying age group to have these type of discussions: they are old enough to think they’ve lived enough, but still carry this juvenile sense that anything that happened before they were born was either ancient history or not culturally relevant.

Just to see if this conversation is worth having: how old were you in 2008?

Depends on your point of reference. Compare it to the 90’s, not with 2008.

They didn’t change, they always made fun of whatever was there to be made fun of. It was the Overton Window that moved left. They started in the 90s when Bill Clinton was president. If Bill Clinton was running today on the same platform from that time he would be called a South Park Republican.

It would also help if they could be more like Craig Ferguson and just focus on having a fun and entertaining show.

The six people that still watch late shows on TV are certainly not the demographic interested in being lectured on before going to bed. The Colbert Report worked because it was more in time with its audience.

I think this is something that affects Hollywood in general and will be aggravated by the dominance of streaming: distributors make money on anything you watch as long as you remain subscribed, but writers/producers of shows will only make a name for themselves and picked for more seasons if their show gets a certain number of watchers. Quality does not matter, only quantity.

So, what better/cheaper way to get large numbers of people talking about your show? By watering down everything and appealing to the lowest common denominator and/or by appealing to shock value.

I still keep the netflix subscription, but mostly because of the kids. But as soon as I find some time to set up my *arr system again, I will definitely cancel it.

They lost 700k subscribers, but they still have 125 million. They may have lost some customers, but they are making more than $100M per month with that price hike.

Yeap, there is a whole video from nerdstalgic talking about how that scene could have saved the finale.

Meh, the more I see of any of his stuff the more he seems like the type of one-trick pony who can’t even fathom to do anything really different. It’s 100% about the image and the money.