Eleanor definitely. Some of the stuff Bojack does on the list he immediately realizes “I did a shitty thing” and at time tries to fix it but fails, not that that justifies it BUT Eleanor did all that and with a shit eating grin in her face happy about it. I really couldn’t stand her, it was like watching Dolores Umbridge.
Okay, first. Bojack is, ironically, a more realistic version of a crummy person. Most people think they’re decent and don’t want to confront what they are. And most people aren’t awful all the time. Eleanor was unapologetically bad, nearly all the time, and it was deliberately a bit exaggerated in style. Bojack was sometimes good, sometimes fun, sometimes bad, sometimes really bad. That’s why Eleanor reacted casually to bad things - because she’s something of a caricature. Bojack, meanwhile, reacts normally to watching someone be hurt, because he’s meant to be more realistic.
Two of your examples do not work. In the Bojack universe, Mr. Peanutbutter is an independent adult. The dog Eleanor took care of is not. Also, again, the show is exaggerated. No animal is actually going to look like that after one day. This couldn’t happen in the Bojack universe.
The T-shirt comparison is frankly insulting. Eleanor took advantage of someone being an asshole. That does not come close to being analogous to Todd’s sexuality.
As for Sarah Lynn… I think he sufficiently aided in fucking up Sarah Lynn. I think that terrifying speech he gave her to make her cry in front of a laughing audience is bad enough.
The closest things they did were the prom thing. Eleanor did not do anything directly; she took her cousin to the prom. Bojack, meanwhile, gave kids a bunch of alcohol, abandoned one with alcohol poisoning and tried to sleep with another. The long term effects were at least as bad.
None of this is to justify anything Eleanor did. The point is that Eleanor was over-the-top. She was bad all the time. Bojack wasn’t. He may seem more palatable because he reacted appropriately (sometimes) to bad things.
Eleanor definitely. Some of the stuff Bojack does on the list he immediately realizes “I did a shitty thing” and at time tries to fix it but fails, not that that justifies it BUT Eleanor did all that and with a shit eating grin in her face happy about it. I really couldn’t stand her, it was like watching Dolores Umbridge.
i agree but we do not get to see Eleanor trying to sleep with a teenager or actively
not calling an ambulance and letting someone die. Or also, BoJack was mean AF to Sarah Lynn when she was a kid and
he slept with Ethan’s mom.
Okay, first. Bojack is, ironically, a more realistic version of a crummy person. Most people think they’re decent and don’t want to confront what they are. And most people aren’t awful all the time. Eleanor was unapologetically bad, nearly all the time, and it was deliberately a bit exaggerated in style. Bojack was sometimes good, sometimes fun, sometimes bad, sometimes really bad. That’s why Eleanor reacted casually to bad things - because she’s something of a caricature. Bojack, meanwhile, reacts normally to watching someone be hurt, because he’s meant to be more realistic.
Two of your examples do not work. In the Bojack universe, Mr. Peanutbutter is an independent adult. The dog Eleanor took care of is not. Also, again, the show is exaggerated. No animal is actually going to look like that after one day. This couldn’t happen in the Bojack universe.
The T-shirt comparison is frankly insulting. Eleanor took advantage of someone being an asshole. That does not come close to being analogous to Todd’s sexuality.
As for Sarah Lynn… I think he sufficiently aided in fucking up Sarah Lynn. I think that terrifying speech he gave her to make her cry in front of a laughing audience is bad enough.
The closest things they did were the prom thing. Eleanor did not do anything directly; she took her cousin to the prom. Bojack, meanwhile, gave kids a bunch of alcohol, abandoned one with alcohol poisoning and tried to sleep with another. The long term effects were at least as bad.
None of this is to justify anything Eleanor did. The point is that Eleanor was over-the-top. She was bad all the time. Bojack wasn’t. He may seem more palatable because he reacted appropriately (sometimes) to bad things.