…about Jack.

By the time we reach season 3, we don’t have any female villains.
The closest to an “evil” female is Bex because of going to the gala with Jamie possibly knowing that Keeley doesn know, and ignoring how Rupert treats Rebecca before the darts scene.
But Bex is hardly a villain.

Jack is basically the only female villain on the show, up there with Rupert, Dr Jake, George Cartrick, Jamie’s dad and Edwin Akofo.
(Shandy, in my opinion, is just a mess. Not really a villain, just someone who really needs to grow.)

We already have:

4 good, openly queer characters:
Keeley, Will, Colin and Trent Crimm

4 evil most likely straight characters:
Rupert, George Cartrick, Jamie’s father, Dr Jake

1 evil character with undisclosed sexuality:
Edwin Akufo

4 seemingly straight characters with ambiguous morality:
Zava, Nate, Nate’s father, Bex, (also, Miss Cakes, Shandy, Jane Payne)

so 1 evil queer character, and the only evil woman on the show

doesn’t seem problematic to me.

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I’m sorry if some people literally have the experience of seeing some evil lesbian trope in their lives or worse,even being mistreated based on such a trope. :(

I personally don’t get it,though.
My memories of the 90s and 2000s - Ross’s ex Carol on Friends,
HIMYM’s Cindy and her wife, (plus Lily being clearly bi),
Patty Maleficient on Simpsons,
Willow and Tara on Buffy,
Enid from Legally Blonde,
Ally McBeal and Ling(Lucy Liu),
Samantha dating the female artist Maria on Sex and the City,

Where is the evil lesbian trope … ? These were all good women.

I can’t recall any examples of such a trope.

  • CapeHurricane@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    How is Zava’s morality ambiguous? He just seems like an odd duck, but he also seems to be in the good side of the good/evil divide.

  • Thisguy2728@alien.topBEnglish
    1·
    10 months ago

    Why is Rebecca not considered an evil character? Her morality may have changed at the end of season 1 but she definitely started out in the ‘evil’ category imo… hell bent on watching the world burn.

    • TardisTed@alien.topBEnglish
      1·
      10 months ago

      I think she would more fall under the “morally ambiguous” category for that’s exact reason, whereas characters like Rupert are just outright terrible

  • nickdenards@alien.topBEnglish
    1·
    10 months ago

    I love that this is the kind of discourse we’re forced to have today. Tallying up races and sexualities to meet some vague “unlroblematic” criterion. Really fun

    • Senior_Juice5380@alien.topOPBEnglish
      1·
      10 months ago

      i dunno if i was forced exactly. i got very surprised at multiple comments on YouTube as well as on Reddit complaining about Jack being a trope.
      so

      i responded to it. I think discourse examining tropes is a good thing. Ted Lasso

      subverted the old tired trope of a witch vs snow white by making them friends in episode 3 of season 1.

      And the trope of women fighting over a man didn’t even come up at all, nor did any dragged out misunderstanding.

  • kaukajarvi@alien.topBEnglish
    1·
    10 months ago

    What if you wouldn’t care about “representation”? does wonders for the mental health.