If you like the way McCarthy writes, you really should try Thomas Hardy if you haven’t. I made the following post three years ago in /r/cormacmccarthy but I would like to share it here too. Might seem weird to link these two authors who have quite different styles, but just read the excerpts below and you’ll see what I mean.


Just started reading The Woodlanders by Thomas Hardy and have been struck by some passages that resemble, in some ways, the way that McCarthy writes, be it an “as if” construction or the way that McCarthy waxes poetic on a given subject, or the cosmic/metaphysical associations he often makes, or the archaic diction (see “antelucan” below).

Not to say that their writing styles are the same, because they are not, but I feel an affinity between the two. Here are some excerpts from the first three chapters of The Woodlanders:

Chapter 1:

The rambler who, for old association or other reasons, should trace the forsaken coach-road running almost in a meridional line from Bristol to the south shore of England, would find himself during the latter half of his journey in the vicinity of some extensive woodlands, interspersed with apple-orchards. Here the trees, timber or fruit-bearing, as the case may be, make the wayside hedges ragged by their drip and shade, stretching over the road with easeful horizontality, as if they found the unsubstantial air an adequate support for their limbs. At one place, where a hill is crossed, the largest of the woods shows itself bisected by the high-way, as the head of thick hair is bisected by the white line of its parting. The spot is lonely.

The physiognomy of a deserted highway expresses solitude to a degree that is not reached by mere dales or downs, and bespeaks a tomb-like stillness more emphatic than that of glades and pools. The contrast of what is with what might be probably accounts for this. To step, for instance, at the place under notice, from the hedge of the plantation into the adjoining pale thoroughfare, and pause amid its emptiness for a moment, was to exchange by the act of a single stride the simple absence of human companionship for an incubus of the forlorn.

The vehicle had a square black tilt which nodded with the motion of the wheels, and at a point in it over the driver’s head was a hook to which the reins were hitched at times, when they formed a catenary curve from the horse’s shoulders. Somewhere about the axles was a loose chain, whose only known purpose was to clink as it went.

Thus they rode on till they turned into a half-invisible little lane, whence, as it reached the verge of an eminence, could be discerned in the dusk, about half a mile to the right, gardens and orchards sunk in a concave, and, as it were, snipped out of the woodland. From this self-contained place rose in stealthy silence tall stems of smoke, which the eye of imagination could trace downward to their root on quiet hearth-stones festooned overhead with hams and flitches. It was one of those sequestered spots outside the gates of the world where may usually be found more meditation than action, and more passivity than meditation; where reasoning proceeds on narrow premises, and results in inferences wildly imaginative; yet where, from time to time, no less than in other places, dramas of a grandeur and unity truly Sophoclean are enacted in the real, by virtue of the concentrated passions and closely knit interdependence of the lives therein.

Chapter 2:

The palm was red and blistering, as if this present occupation were not frequent enough with her to subdue it to what it worked in. As with so many right hands born to manual labor, there was nothing in its fundamental shape to bear out the physiological conventionalism that gradations of birth, gentle or mean, show themselves primarily in the form of this member. Nothing but a cast of the die of destiny had decided that the girl should handle the tool; and the fingers which clasped the heavy ash haft might have skilfully guided the pencil or swept the string, had they only been set to do it in good time.

Chapter 3:

She wrapped round her a long red woollen cravat and opened the door. The night in all its fulness met her flatly on the threshold, like the very brink of an absolute void, or the antemundane Ginnung-Gap believed in by her Teuton forefathers. For her eyes were fresh from the blaze, and here there was no street-lamp or lantern to form a kindly transition between the inner glare and the outer dark. A lingering wind brought to her ear the creaking sound of two over-crowded branches in the neighboring wood which were rubbing each other into wounds, and other vocalized sorrows of the trees, together with the screech of owls, and the fluttering tumble of some awkward wood-pigeon ill-balanced on its roosting-bough.

The four huge wagons under the shed were built on those ancient lines whose proportions have been ousted by modern patterns, their shapes bulging and curving at the base and ends like Trafalgar line-of-battle ships, with which venerable hulks, indeed, these vehicles evidenced a constructed spirit curiously in harmony.

Melbury, perhaps, was an unlucky man in having within him the sentiment which could indulge in this foolish fondness about the imprint of a daughter’s footstep. Nature does not carry on her government with a view to such feelings, and when advancing years render the open hearts of those who possess them less dexterous than formerly in shutting against the blast, they must suffer “buffeting at will by rain and storm” no less than Little Celandines.

They went out and walked together, the pattern of the air-holes in the top of the lantern being thrown upon the mist overhead, where they appeared of giant size, as if reaching the tent-shaped sky. They had no remarks to make to each other, and they uttered none. Hardly anything could be more isolated or more self-contained than the lives of these two walking here in the lonely antelucan hour, when gray shades, material and mental, are so very gray. And yet, looked at in a certain way, their lonely courses formed no detached design at all, but were part of the pattern in the great web of human doings then weaving in both hemispheres, from the White Sea to Cape Horn.

I’ve read Tess of the d’Urberviles and The Mayor of Casterbridge, but never noticed this connection, though it has been a while since I read them. Do you see what I am seeing? Has anyone else noticed this in his other work? I know from Books Are Made Out of Books that McCarthy has singled Hardy out as not one of the English Victorian novelists he dislikes.

  • The_Red_Curtain@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    wow I really love this prose, Hardy has always been an embarassing gap for me (I’ve read a lot of 19th century novels to put it mildly). I’m definitely going to add him as my next major author to tackle.

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    10 months ago

    I think I was ruined for Thomas Hardy by being introduced to him with Fierce Invalids Home from Hot Climates. Or, maybe, twenty years later, I would appreciate it now.

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    10 months ago

    I was floored by Blood Meridian and followed the Cormac subreddit for a little while (unsubscribed because of all the nonsensical ubiquitous “Is this The Judge?” posts). I don’t know if I would have read Thomas Hardy earlier if he wasn’t mentioned in the Cormac subreddit on some threads – maybe it was your exact post that nudged me, I’m not sure – but I was floored by Tess of the d’Urbervilles.

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    10 months ago

    I’m trying to find a few books to get my mother for Christmas. Mccarthy is one of her absolute favorites, she loves All The Pretty Horses and Blood Meridian the most of his. Which of Hardys books resembles these the most? I’ll probably have to ask if she’s read him before…

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    10 months ago

    I like CM (read in my adult years) and TH (read in teen, early 20s). They paint bleakness with emotional realism. The scenarios may not be relatable, but the characters’ emotions are so relatable to real life.

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    10 months ago

    Ooh I love Hardy, but have always been a bit intimidated to try McCarthy. Will have to check him out!

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    10 months ago

    Unfortunately, I’m seeing commas in these excerpts, which means I will be unable to read Hardy anytime soon. Appreciate the recommendation, though.

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      10 months ago

      If you ever find any let me know. I was so excited to read Suttree and by all accounts the setting it’s delightful but fuck me it’s hard to read.

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          10 months ago

          It’s probably the slowest I’ve read a book for a long time. Though again part of that might be the sort of melancholic slowness of the plot which I think is a purposeful device. But damn I’d probably be 300 pages into anything else by now and I keep falling asleep after a handful.

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    10 months ago

    I would recommend The Mayor Of Casterbridge if you’re looking to read more of Thomas Hardy.

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    10 months ago

    Despite loving Thomas Hardy’s poetry with all my heart, I’ve never given his novels a look even now. I wrote an entire dissertation based on Poems of 1912-13 and sat and recited the whole collection because I loved them so much. Maybe I’ll have to finally plug that gap.

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    10 months ago

    I agree, but be prepared! I guess if you have read McCarthy, Blood Meridian especially, one might be prepared but as brilliant as Thomas Hardy is, novels like Tess and Jude the Obscure are a magnitude of tragedy and heartbreak beyond what most other writers are capable of!

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      10 months ago

      I read Jude the Obscure when I was a college freshman and it damn near DESTROYED me. Of course a lot of it had to do with things I was going through at the time, but it resonated and vibrated me to my core. Powerful stuff.

      I also remember reading Tess later and being scared to turn the page, because everything was going so well and she was so happy and I was less than halfway through the book so I knew it was all about to crater. Then it did, HARD.

      Love Hardy, in case it’s not obvious. :D

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      10 months ago

      I read Jude the Obscure waaay back in high school and gods that book was formative, being a nerd from a poor family probably made it all the more poignant

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        10 months ago

        How could it not?? Little Father Time! I remember reading that section for the first time and just having a hard time believing what I was reading!