A significant difference is that Bojack is self aware, and by the end of his single lifetime he improves and atones to some extent for his sins.
Eleanor doss not improve at all in her lifetime, she is remorselessly shitty her entire life. It takes her thousands of years in hell with a moral philosophy professor to atone.
However, Bojack does worse things (that we know of). I mean, I do think commenters here are downplaying how horrible it is to intentionally scam old people with fake medicine as Eleanor did, but as far as we know she never had a hand in killing anyone or sexually manipulated any teenagers.
But Eleanor’s “lifetime” is like 30 years. Bojack is in his fifties when the show starts. Who knows if Eleanor would have changed too, in life, if she’d been able to reach middle age
Tbf, Eleanor was atoning mere weeks and months into being in the afterlife when she did things like give herself up. She was also much younger than BoJack when she died, so it might not be a fair comparison
I’d argue Elanore after 50 years of life (like 20 years in the Good Place) was better than BoJack
In response to your edit: Eleanor and Bojack both had rough upbringings that made how they turned out somewhat inevitable, but Bojack gained fame and fortune while Eleanor always struggled. Bojack had the resources and opportunity to turn his life around and be a good person, but he never did. He learned and grew to a degree, but relapsed more often than not and never fully grasped the impact he had on others. Too wrapped up in himself.
Eleanor, meanwhile, very quickly (and repeatedly) rose to the occasion when actually given the environment and opportunity to change. She showed real growth and rarely if ever slipped back into her old tendencies. She also showed genuine remorse for her past behavior after a while, while Bojack, by contrast, only seemed to feel remorse in a performative way to placate others or in a woe-is-me way when he actually faced consequences for his actions.
They may have started at the same place, but how they ended shows which of them was actually a good person.
These two are my favorite shows of all time
BoJack is worse in every conceivable way and it’s not even close
A significant difference is that Bojack is self aware, and by the end of his single lifetime he improves and atones to some extent for his sins.
Eleanor doss not improve at all in her lifetime, she is remorselessly shitty her entire life. It takes her thousands of years in hell with a moral philosophy professor to atone.
However, Bojack does worse things (that we know of). I mean, I do think commenters here are downplaying how horrible it is to intentionally scam old people with fake medicine as Eleanor did, but as far as we know she never had a hand in killing anyone or sexually manipulated any teenagers.
But Eleanor’s “lifetime” is like 30 years. Bojack is in his fifties when the show starts. Who knows if Eleanor would have changed too, in life, if she’d been able to reach middle age
Tbf, Eleanor was atoning mere weeks and months into being in the afterlife when she did things like give herself up. She was also much younger than BoJack when she died, so it might not be a fair comparison
I’d argue Elanore after 50 years of life (like 20 years in the Good Place) was better than BoJack
Yeah you might be right. It’s hard to know the time line since they keep it deliberately vague, but she did improve quickly after meeting Chidi.
In response to your edit: Eleanor and Bojack both had rough upbringings that made how they turned out somewhat inevitable, but Bojack gained fame and fortune while Eleanor always struggled. Bojack had the resources and opportunity to turn his life around and be a good person, but he never did. He learned and grew to a degree, but relapsed more often than not and never fully grasped the impact he had on others. Too wrapped up in himself.
Eleanor, meanwhile, very quickly (and repeatedly) rose to the occasion when actually given the environment and opportunity to change. She showed real growth and rarely if ever slipped back into her old tendencies. She also showed genuine remorse for her past behavior after a while, while Bojack, by contrast, only seemed to feel remorse in a performative way to placate others or in a woe-is-me way when he actually faced consequences for his actions.
They may have started at the same place, but how they ended shows which of them was actually a good person.
"You know, sometimes I feel like I was born with a leak, and any goodness I started with just slowly spilled out of me, and now it’s all gone.
What was Eleanor’s rough upbringing that’s comparable to Bojack’s? I’m not really remembering any of her past or trauma
In her case, it’s more that she was raised by trash to be trash.
Agreed 🫡