I love “The face of depression”. Feels really optimistic, a lot of the main characters have positive turning points. Princess Carolyn rehires Judah, Todd connects with the rabbit (forgot her name :s) on his app, Diane starts taking the antidepressants. Bojack stops dying his hair and gets his professor job… That doesn’t really pan out I know, but the whole episode feels like a positive turn for so many characters. And the credits song is great.

Yeah I use it in the same way, I find this show incredibly cathartic. I also watch it when I’m not depressed though and enjoy the jokes/light hearted moments more!

Yeah you might be right. It’s hard to know the time line since they keep it deliberately vague, but she did improve quickly after meeting Chidi.

Hah. Yeah.

Watching this show is cathartic

A significant difference is that Bojack is self aware, and by the end of his single lifetime he improves and atones to some extent for his sins.

Eleanor doss not improve at all in her lifetime, she is remorselessly shitty her entire life. It takes her thousands of years in hell with a moral philosophy professor to atone.

However, Bojack does worse things (that we know of). I mean, I do think commenters here are downplaying how horrible it is to intentionally scam old people with fake medicine as Eleanor did, but as far as we know she never had a hand in killing anyone or sexually manipulated any teenagers.

I think it’s closer than some people are giving credit. For a start, Eleanor never showed any sort of remorse during her lifetime, she was just shitty and self serving constantly. It took hundreds (thousands?) of years to improve, and she had to be sent to hell first.

Bojack kind of improves within his single lifetime, and he’s self aware enough to show remorse during that lifetime. That being said, Bojack’s transgressions are worse than Eleanor’s.

Overall Bojack wins the shittiness competition imo, but I think Eleanor comes close with a lifetime of shittiness and no remorse whatsoever. She also intentionally and knowingly did bad things - Bojack didn’t mean to kill Sarah Lynn, he did it by being selfish, but Eleanor knowingly and intentionally spent a period of her life scamming old people with fake medicine and didn’t give a fuck.