I want to hear the theories that you gotta stretch before you reach for, but that you still genuinely believe and are willing to defend.

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    10 months ago

    bojack died in the pool and the entire last episode is his view from halfway down, what he imagined he could’ve had if he didn’t go swimming

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      10 months ago

      Yeah honestly as heartfelt as that series finale is, my own head cannon is that he dies and The View From Halfway Down is the true ending.

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      10 months ago

      Do you mean the last episode was kind of like the Ruthie episode, where it all happened in one of the characters heads but not in their actual life? Or it didn’t happen at all, it was just for the audience as a ‘what if’?

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      10 months ago

      I also believe there are some arguments to support this as well.

      Why would Diane attend the industry wedding and not the real one? For that matter why did Todd attend the industry wedding? Both are not in the movie making industry but personal friends to PC so it makes no sense.

      Why was Gina hired as Starlight/Fireflame or whatever the superhero was when Kelsey advised against Gina’s hire?

      It is an industry wedding but Judoh did not attend? Why when it is supposed to be “work”?

      There are more but these are off the top of my head.

      I do like the ending as it is but I also like crazy theories.

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        10 months ago

        And for that matter why did Todd attend the industry wedding?

        Some of our greatest memories/dying hallucinations come from our mistakes. Bojack not only fucked up the Guten Burbon opportunity PC worked hard for him to get around his depression, but his fuckup made Todd the face of Guten Burbon.

        I’m not sure if Bojack realized how he fucked his friend over (again) by replacing the prop Burbon with real Burbon but after his genuine disappointment with himself destroying Todd’s Rock Opera it may have become another core memory fuckup Bojack played to himself, adding Todd to the ‘industry list’ under Todd’s Manager PC where he belonged.

        It’s an industry wedding but Judah didn’t attend

        I’d save the first view of the bride for the actual ceremony myself, particularly as viewing the bride in advance is bad luck for a groom. Or maybe Bojack, who never had a relationship with Judah, was processing and professing his feelings to PC and excluded him out of unfamiliarity/his mind wanting uninterrupted closure with PC.

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        10 months ago

        Why would Bojack imagine Gina getting hired for that role? He had no knowledge of the film that we’re aware of. No offense but you can kinda tell these theories are off the top of your head.

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          10 months ago

          Why would Bojack imagine Gina getting hired for that role?

          I’ve spent a lot of time in this thread arguing that the last episode is BoJack in a coma. I was about to say that the billboard is great evidence against that, because none of the main characters would have any reason to care enough about that detail to tell him. However, PC helped fuck Gina over (both by connecting BoJack with the shady doctor who got him hooked, asking “Are you okay, Gina?” instead of intervening, and orchestrating the interview to try to absolve him), and I think she would have a pretty compelling reason to let BoJack know that the woman he horribly abused still made it in the industry, which was her dream and the reason she went along with the cover-up.

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          10 months ago

          These aren’t theories, these are arguments for one theory.

          You’re right Bojack wouldnt have knowledge of the film but you failed to explain how was Gina hired anyway?

          You know when you have a counter-argument you’re supposed to give an explanation not just tell me how mine is wrong and not elaborate.

          Here is how I remember it going:

          1.Kelsey wanted to make money from movies.

          2.She got a chance to make a superhero movie.

          3.She sought advice from her long time friend who has made many such movies

          4.He advised her not to hire Gina and they BOTH agreed everyone loves Courtney Portnoy and that she is the better choice

          5.???

          6.Gina is hired. (Profit}

          No offense taken we’re here to discuss shit why would I get offended.

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            10 months ago

            If one option is improbable and the other option is impossible, you go with the improbable option. QED.

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        10 months ago

        Valid points but let me give my explanations.

        1. Diane still has PC as her agent for the books and PC mentions a lot a movie franchise based on Ivy Tram. Also, she knew Bojack was going to attend and maybe planned to cut the last string, as she did. For Todd, he runs the daycare and we see children running around. Maybe he went to look after ruthie as PC would be busy. And why wouldn’t her close friends be in the industry wedding? It’s still a wedding.

        2. I like to thing that Kelsey connected the dots and discovered that Bojack traumatised Gina in some way. Then she hired her for this reason: to help someone who experienced something bad from the same person she did.

        3. This is the weirdest but Judah was at the wedding. They talked about him solving a theatrical crime. I interpreted that he was at some room going over contracts, still in the same place.