A little fruity what? Dynamo? Deviant? Harassment lawsuit waiting to happen?!

Why would Bojack imagine Gina getting hired for that role?

I’ve spent a lot of time in this thread arguing that the last episode is BoJack in a coma. I was about to say that the billboard is great evidence against that, because none of the main characters would have any reason to care enough about that detail to tell him. However, PC helped fuck Gina over (both by connecting BoJack with the shady doctor who got him hooked, asking “Are you okay, Gina?” instead of intervening, and orchestrating the interview to try to absolve him), and I think she would have a pretty compelling reason to let BoJack know that the woman he horribly abused still made it in the industry, which was her dream and the reason she went along with the cover-up.

This doesn’t add or detract from what you’ve said, but someone once said the hydrangea represents Hollyhock. I can’t remember how that even begins to make sense, but it always struck me as true, at least because of the pink on her nose and because Beatrice doesn’t like the plant at all.

Great counterarguments, you’ve really convinced me. Oh wait, no you haven’t, you’re just one of the people I mentioned who can’t accept the possibility that he dies

Nah, I mean in the show. But I just realized they show the sign at the very end of S1E12, so they’ve made that link before and PB stopping there isn’t as strange as I thought it was.

I agree that the wrap-up of each character feels too neat, especially when we’ve spent so much time seeing how messy everyone is. When I first saw it, I was disappointed that the writers would go with such a basic “PC and Diane are married, therefore they’re happy now,” but now I think it has a lot of significance because it’s just the sort of facade you would present to someone you won’t see again.

A funny detail is that the jury is full of people whom BoJack has offended in some way (e.g. the Home Depot elephant he insults, the Princess Bride guy, and Neal McBeal). That could be his subconscious eating away at him, though it could also simply be a result of a corrupt legal system or incredibly shitty luck.

Yeah, this is the emotional backlash I’m talking about. Themes of redemption? We must not have watched the same show. BoJack hurts people in all sorts of horrible ways (Sarah Lynn, Penny, and Gina are the most extreme examples), destroys his closest friendships, tries to kill himself at least two times (and dreams about killing himself when he gets old), and ends up relapsing again. And what do you think about all of the lines about life not getting better? Do those just not count because you don’t like them?

I don’t know how to be, Diane. It doesn’t get better and it doesn’t get easier. I can’t keep lying to myself, saying “I’m gonna change.” I’m poison. I come from poison. I have poison inside me, and I destroy everything I touch. That’s my legacy. I have nothing to show for the life that I’ve lived, and I have nobody in my life who’s better off for having known me.

I guess my question is, do you…do you think it’s too late for me? I mean, am I just doomed to be the person that I am? The person in that book? It’s not too late for me, is it? It’s It’s not too late, Diane, I need you to tell me that it’s not too late. I I need you to tell me that I’m a good person. I know that I can be selfish and narcissistic and self-destructive, but underneath all that, deep down, I’m a good person, and I need you to tell me that I’m good, Diane. Tell me, please, Diane. Tell me that I’m good.
[silence]

Suddenly, you realize you’ll never have the good relationship you wanted, and as long as they were alive, even though you’d never admit it, part of you, the stupidest goddamn part of you, was still holding on to that chance. And you didn’t even realize it until that chance went away. “My mother is dead, and everything is worse now.” Because now I know I will never have a mother who looks at me from across a room and says, “BoJack Horseman, I see you.” But I guess it’s good to know. It’s good to know that there is nobody looking out for me, that there never was, and there never will be.

People don’t change, Diane, not really. We’re Zoes, Diane. We’re cynical and we’re sad and we’re mean. There’s a darkness inside you, and you can bury it deep in burritos as big as your head, but someday soon, that darkness is gonna come out, and when it does, I want you to call me.

I’m not gonna give you closure. You don’t get that. You have to live with the shitty thing you did for the rest of your life. You have to know that it’s never, ever going to be okay.

You’re wearing some awfully heavy blinders if you think this is simply a show about redemption and not someone continuing to fuck up his own and others’ lives. If you want to address what I actually said, then I’ll hear it, but I can tell you’re emotionally invested in one particular ending and don’t want to see any alternatives.

This is turning out pretty long. Some day, I’d like to systematically go through the show and jot down all of these details, but that would take a long time.

The flatline is an interesting detail: At the end of 15, we hear it, then the beep resumes. But at the beginning of 16, we see BoJack and Diane sitting on the roof, looking up, and then the beep comes back in, increases, and flatlines again. I believe this is when he actually dies. The show does a lot of misdirects - a couple innocuous ones from S1 are the birds having blackmail on BoJack that never amounts to anything, and Todd never finding the BeastBuy receipt that shows BoJack sabotaged his rock opera - and I believe the transition to Horsin’ Around is one such misdirect.

When BoJack is on his bender in S1E11, we see a lot of surreal references to impactful moments or conversations in his life, like his dad forgetting to pick him up after a soccer game, him sinking into a tar pit like Charlotte talked about, and he and Herb fighting and then Herb dying. I believe we see the same memory bleeding in 16 with his guilt over killing Sarah Lynn, which means BoJack is not experiencing actual events: PB reveals the Hollywoob sign at the planetarium even though we have never seen the Hollywoo(d) sign and the planetarium in the same shot (I believe, although I would have to watch the entire show again to verify this); when Todd brings BoJack to the beach to watch fireworks, we keep seeing flashes of red and blue on their faces, just like the lights from the police car at the planetarium when BoJack waits 17 minutes and then calls for help (there is also some yellow from the ambulance); and when each of the main characters stops talking to BoJack, we get a brief blackout transition before the next character starts talking, just like BoJack keeps blacking out during the S3E11 bender episode. We also learn about the BoJeebies kid who found him in the pool, and it looks like he’s falling into a life of predatory fame. BoJack freaked out when Olivia said she wanted to be like him, and I think he worries that he’s going to ruin someone else’s life just like he ruined Sarah Lynn’s.

In the car, BoJack has a line where he tells PB he doesn’t want to go to the wedding because he thinks that something bad is going to happen. He also looks suspiciously at the sign for the roof before PC starts talking to him, and this sounds like a premonition of his death, as in “Once I say goodbye to Diane, I have no reason to hold on.” In a similar vein, PC has a strange line where she says she that Horny Unicorn is doing well and he could get back into acting, then backtracks with “I’m sorry I said anything”; this sounds like exactly the kind of fumbling statement you’d say to a dying friend before you realize quite what you’ve said.

I will say none of this is ironclad and I could be wrong, and I like that such finely-tuned details exist. One thing I know is that we know BoJack couldn’t have actually died at the end of 15 because he would have no idea that PC and Diane married, which we got independent confirmation of earlier on, so I think that everyone saying farewell to him in the hospital while he’s in a coma, or at least some drugged-out state.

I believe BoJack dies at the end of S6E16. At the end of 14, he goes into a coma because he’s in the pool for far longer than we see, 15 is him saying goodbye to everyone who died before him, and 16 is everyone saying goodbye to him in the hospital before he flatlines. I don’t consider it a wild theory, but I’ve gotten some hate on here for saying it. I think some people closely identify with BoJack, and they need to believe that he makes it so they have hope for their own lives. I’m glad the show speaks to them on such a profound level, but I’m not going to apologize for seeing the ending differently.

If anyone wants to know why I believe this, I’d be happy to explain, but please actually listen to what I say rather than address points I haven’t brought up.