Hey y’all can we make a rule that if you want to include a sexual assault in a tv show and someone ask how is important for the character that got assaulted. That people just answer the fucking question?
There’s a really big difference between “How important is it for the character?” and “You’re just saying bullshit so they keep this in the show”.
One is a question, the other one is a baseless assumption of someone that paints them in a bad light. If you want people to answer your question maybe ask said question in the first place.
I understand why this is a charged issue for people, but I think the way the comics handled it is good.
The whole point of it is that she was a different person when she raped mark, just like every other viltrumite. Were so desensitized to mass murder in media that we kind of shrug and accept a redemption arc for the murderous viltrumites - but Nissa confronts the audience with something deeply shocking and personal that forces us to really interrogate the questions the comic is asking about forgiveness and whether it can ever be earned when you’ve done something unforgivable.
The comics say that yes, genuine change is possible even for the most atrocious people. It would be nonsensical to say that yes, it’s possible, but ONLY for murder and genocide, not rape.
I don’t know. I feel like the fact that she is a woman plays somewhat heavily into the whole forgiveness angle. It’s easier, culturally, to forgive women as many of their transgressions are waved off. What I mean is that violent aggressive acts are typically seen as something inherent in men but with women kinder more nurturing actions are held in belief to be the norm. Women acting violently are easier to excuse for the violence they create. It is believed they aren’t really like that and are lashing out due to trauma or pressures of a patriarchal society. Culturally we only really see a woman as being evil or unforgivable when she goes against the perceived nurturing default (abusing, harming, or abandoning children)
This is all to say that we can recognize Nissa is wrong for raping Mark and that it is a brutal act but subconsciously we are more accepting of her redeeming herself. Typically in most storytelling like this a male rapist will not be given a chance to redeem themselves and live. Yes Nissa dies but not as a consequence of her assault of Mark. She “redeems” herself and then later dies in battle. Typically if the story is to punish a male rapist but have them redeem themselves then their redemption comes at the cost of their life. I could also go on here about how media is constantly pushing for men to sacrifice their lives and that once you actually pick up on it you start seeing it in every piece of consumable media but I have rambled on long enough
Honestly something really weird that I notice a lot is that people are almost never forgiving of rape by fictional characters but it’s gotten forgiven a lot by people in real life.
The most obvious example I can think of is when women teachers do it, but then again that also goes into your point about women typically being forgiven more than men for that kinda thing.
But then you have cases like Mike Tyson, who did many other things along with rape (such as numerous cases of assault and even biting part of an ear off) but almost no one talks about it and he still gets work. Like I had no idea about those things until I saw his Wikipedia page. It’s really fucking bizarre to me sometimes
I understand why this is a charged issue for people, that’s why the way the comics handled it is bad.
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The whole point of it is that she was a different person when she raped mark
Doubtful, since she apparently doesn’t regret doing it.
The comics say that yes, genuine change is possible even for the most atrocious people.
And it’s done it a fucking poor way, imagine a viltrumite male rapist saying that he doesn’t regret raping Eve because it gave him a child that he loves. Most people in the fandom probably including you wouldn’t be so forgiving.
Hopefully exactly the same. It’s easily the most well-handled/written male rape in media (IMO).
Mark is hurt by it but doesn’t turn into a victim.
It isn’t fetishized.
It isn’t played for laughs.
It isn’t immediately forgotten about after a couple chapters.
It isn’t used as a hate sink for that character.
It’s a part of the story and FEELS like it’s a part of the story, rather than shameless shock value.
I really, really, really hope they change nothing about it.
Same. It’s something I hope gets adapted 1:1 from the comic.
What exactly happens afterwards? Because I feel like your just saying a bunch of bullshit to justify having this in the show.
Hey y’all can we make a rule so that you can only comment on stuff if you’re informed of what happens, and not just making baseless assumptions?
Hey y’all can we make a rule that if you want to include a sexual assault in a tv show and someone ask how is important for the character that got assaulted. That people just answer the fucking question?
There’s a really big difference between “How important is it for the character?” and “You’re just saying bullshit so they keep this in the show”.
One is a question, the other one is a baseless assumption of someone that paints them in a bad light. If you want people to answer your question maybe ask said question in the first place.
Maybe you should find a more age appropriate show for your middle school brain
The should change the consequences that rapenissa faced though, which were close to none.
I understand why this is a charged issue for people, but I think the way the comics handled it is good.
The whole point of it is that she was a different person when she raped mark, just like every other viltrumite. Were so desensitized to mass murder in media that we kind of shrug and accept a redemption arc for the murderous viltrumites - but Nissa confronts the audience with something deeply shocking and personal that forces us to really interrogate the questions the comic is asking about forgiveness and whether it can ever be earned when you’ve done something unforgivable.
The comics say that yes, genuine change is possible even for the most atrocious people. It would be nonsensical to say that yes, it’s possible, but ONLY for murder and genocide, not rape.
I don’t know. I feel like the fact that she is a woman plays somewhat heavily into the whole forgiveness angle. It’s easier, culturally, to forgive women as many of their transgressions are waved off. What I mean is that violent aggressive acts are typically seen as something inherent in men but with women kinder more nurturing actions are held in belief to be the norm. Women acting violently are easier to excuse for the violence they create. It is believed they aren’t really like that and are lashing out due to trauma or pressures of a patriarchal society. Culturally we only really see a woman as being evil or unforgivable when she goes against the perceived nurturing default (abusing, harming, or abandoning children)
This is all to say that we can recognize Nissa is wrong for raping Mark and that it is a brutal act but subconsciously we are more accepting of her redeeming herself. Typically in most storytelling like this a male rapist will not be given a chance to redeem themselves and live. Yes Nissa dies but not as a consequence of her assault of Mark. She “redeems” herself and then later dies in battle. Typically if the story is to punish a male rapist but have them redeem themselves then their redemption comes at the cost of their life. I could also go on here about how media is constantly pushing for men to sacrifice their lives and that once you actually pick up on it you start seeing it in every piece of consumable media but I have rambled on long enough
Honestly something really weird that I notice a lot is that people are almost never forgiving of rape by fictional characters but it’s gotten forgiven a lot by people in real life.
The most obvious example I can think of is when women teachers do it, but then again that also goes into your point about women typically being forgiven more than men for that kinda thing.
But then you have cases like Mike Tyson, who did many other things along with rape (such as numerous cases of assault and even biting part of an ear off) but almost no one talks about it and he still gets work. Like I had no idea about those things until I saw his Wikipedia page. It’s really fucking bizarre to me sometimes
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Doubtful, since she apparently doesn’t regret doing it.
And it’s done it a fucking poor way, imagine a viltrumite male rapist saying that he doesn’t regret raping Eve because it gave him a child that he loves. Most people in the fandom probably including you wouldn’t be so forgiving.
you clearly havent watched the sopranos
Or once upon a time in america
Guts?