I’ll kick things off. Cleo has no redeeming qualities and doesn’t deserve all of the praise she gets. People only like/support her because she is trans (weird).

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      I also don’t think Kim’s as bad as people make her out to be.

      She just seems like someone out of their element and trying to have some sort of control over her life.

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      My hot take on her is that I actually appreciated and was amused by her sharing the part about pooping herself. I know I can relate. And I have friends who can, too. I thought it was funny and candid.

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    I was on Danielle’s side tonight 🤮 I agree, it wasn’t the use of the card (though that would piss me off), it’s the lying and entitlement that he should be paid to leave. I’m so mad at him for making me agree with her.

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    11 months ago
    • Michael doesn’t need a green card just for putting up with Angela. Let him stay in Nigeria with his loved ones.

    • Cast members should be praised for at least making an effort to speak their partner’s language.

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    11 months ago

    Anfisa was right when she told jorge he wouldn’t be with her if she was ugly. Cuz I know he wasn’t with her for her personality.

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    Jihoon sucks and a lot of stuff WAS his fault. He just gets let off because Daevan is insufferable.

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    This is going to be a hot one. This sub really doesn’t give enough grace to participants of the other way. On the main show when people come from other countries there is much more understanding about cultural differences, and one of the nice parts of the show is watching compromises between cultural meetings happen. I get the ugly American stereotype and that it exists for a reason but it’s unfair to expect all compromise to come from their end. Especially if you supposedly love someone, you should be ok with them having some of their traditions or way of living kept that is important to them. And you can do as much research about other cultures as you want; culture shock can still exist.

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    I think Kalani is a liar. She is so desperate to maintain her image in the world that she will say anything to do so. Why would you stay with someone for 5 years or longer if they did the things she has said. She stated on Instagram that He has sexually assaulted multiple times. One of which resulted in their second child. Add that to the endless “cheating” accusations and I think it makes perfect sense to walk away. Instead she stays. Why? Who would stay with someone that rapes or sexually assaults them over and over again? She is so concerned with how she comes across, she wouldn’t dare face the idea of a failed marriage. Now that she is forced to, she is doing all she can to be the victim and try to maintain her image while destroying his. I am not saying Asuelu is blameless or not wrong. He has done wrong and deserves whatever comes from the choices he has made. I am saying it is hard for me to believe he has done what she said and she just sat by and accepted it.

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      This is not a question I want you to answer publicly, but have you been stuck in a marriage with a child with someone who has sexually assaulted you and cheated on you that you desperately loved and wanted to stay with for the sake of your child? Because if not, then you cannot understand WHY. She JUST came out publicly with this information, situations that happened years ago that she has been quiet about because it’s fucking hard to go through something like that. Do not EVER question why a woman puts up with ABUSE like this. You do not know unless you have walked in her shoes. Your comment is repulsive.

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    Christian is not a gas lighter. Honestly, most of the people who get labeled that here isn’t. That label is thrown around FAR too fucking much. It isn’t a synonym for manipulative. The only person in 90 Day Fiance who probably fits the label is Ed. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Geoffrey and Mark are, but I don’t think we’ve seen enough of them.

    Christian isn’t that bad of a guy especially when compared to the other men on this show, but some of y’all act like he’s right up there with Ed. He’s just awkward and rude at times. On it’s own, there is nothing wrong with chatting with random women. He just can’t take a hint or read the fucking room.

    If Cleo did in fact cheat on him. . .that is NOT okay. It doesn’t fucking matter if Christian is a “gross dudebro.”

    Even though Yara has ever right to decide whether or not she wants to have another kid, it is wrong of her to lie to Jovi about it. It doesn’t matter that Jovi is a whiney bitch.

    Kalani has been abusive toward Asuelu and no one deserves to be abused. Not even a manchild. It’s gross how Low threatens violence all the time and that’s not okay.

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      Even though Yara has ever right to decide whether or not she wants to have another kid, it is wrong of her to lie to Jovi about it. It doesn’t matter that Jovi is a whiney bitch.

      Just want to clarify that she never lied about wanting a kid; just the opposite. He hounds her possibly daily about having another one even though every time she’s made it clear she doesn’t want one - at least not right now.

      Perhaps taking BC without telling him is lying by omission, but he’d 100% hound her about that if he knew (“Why are you taking that?? Don’t you want another??”). And I really wouldn’t put it past him to tamper with her BC if he did know about it.

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    I don’t think we can judge cast members as being pure evil and will hate them when we only see maybe 15 minutes (each cast member) per week. People are complicated and I believe every one of them (maybe not Ed or Meemaw, I jest) also have good qualities we don’t get to see. And I absolutely believe many of the haters have done things as stupid, selfish or toxic as the cast members they love to hate. Haters sound to me like they’re simply trying to feel superior.

    So when someone says, oh, they definitely cheated, 100%, I laugh because it’s foolish to think you know better and with absolute certainty about someone they only see a tiny fraction of each week. You can’t possibly know them more than they do themselves.

    Also, it kind of drives me batty when I see comments about how bad this season is, they don’t want to watch anymore, get offended over sexual comments and stuff. All that stuff is what I’m here for! I’m not bothered in the slightest over TMI sexual stuff. I laugh my face off. It’s part of why I watch. And I think there are others here who feel the same way.

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      People who called the nurse/doctor scene softcore porn haven’t gone out of their way to watch softcore porn.

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    Nikki is lucky Igor responded the way he did after the nature of them telling him they were trans.

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    Mike (of Mike and Ximena) is the real villain of that relationship. Obviously they were both using each other, but he was scary towards the end and everyone defending him mystifies me.

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      Totally agree. I think it’s likely that Ximena was always honest with him about what she got out of the relationship. She was a cam girl that he paid to be exclusive, after all. And I think that if he had been a decent guy and not so gross, she probably would have stuck it out. The pressure from her family was certainly high. But in person she couldn’t get over the ick and then his real personality came out in full force.

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        She actually did try at first. Anytime someone tries to be like “well she got grossed out”, I ask them to reverse the genders. Unless you have some screwed up kink, what man is going to want to be with a woman who leaves dookie drawers lying around for them to pick up, burps in their mouth while kissing, farts on them while tryin to get busy, leaves dirty used tissues everywhere, tracks dog crap throughout their house and doesn’t bother to clean it up, etc.? It’s okay to have standards. Wanting your partner to not be a disgusting slob isn’t asking for the world on a string.

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          I totally agree. I didn’t mean to imply that she should have put up with how gross he is; I wouldn’t put up with it. I’m just saying that I think she was probably always honest about it, this was a transactional relationship. If he hadn’t been so gross, she probably would’ve stayed with him, if not for love, for the benefits to her family.

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      He gave me incel “nice guy” vibes right off the bat while other people (at first) thought he was an actual nice guy. I was like, Just wait, y’all…