i have been rewatching the show and i genuinely want to know why people think diane is not a bad person…ofc she has done stuff that in my eyes is wrong, but I want to know why and how does everyone else think it’s otherwise…(no hate)
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Diane feels her righteousness sets her up a bar higher than folks around her who clearly lack her morals. Bojack does bad things coz he is selfish/thoughtless/under influence, whereas Diane justifies her bad behaviour by arguing that she was doing the ‘right’ thing.
The entire main cast is deeply flawed and could probably all be argued they are bad people. But IMO Diane’s worst moments aren’t nearly as bad as a lot of the other characters and I also just find her more relatable.
Well, she has done bad stuff, like everyone else. Everyone in the show has done at least one bad thing. But I think people don’t see her as a bad person because she’s way better than Bojack, and she’s often portrayed as a victim, a victim of Mr. Peanutbutter’s negligence, a victim of her past, a victim of her own depression, a victim of Bojack, of PC’s pressure, of discrimination in general- at least, that’s how I see it. Maybe people will disagree.
I really don’t like this whole victim angle. By this logic Bojack is also a victim, and so is just about everyone in the show. I actually find this take to be kind of misogynistic because you only hear it in relation to the women in the show (Diane, Sarah Lynn, etc) which just robs them of agency. Imo it goes against the show’s entire message. It’s not the bad things that happened to you, it’s you.
Sarah Lynn actually did lack agency being a child actor and facing constant abuse from family and outsiders (see Britney spears). Also, Diane or Sarah Lynn aren’t considered that bad because their actions mostly don’t affect others as much as Bojack’s do. Bojack’s also has a lot of trauma that is explored in the show as well, helping people empathise with him but his self destructive streak actively destroys the lives of others without much consequences for him
No one is saying she is a saint. She is obviously flawed. Messed up big time a couple of times.
“There’s no such thing as bad guys and good guys! We’re all just guys! Who do good stuff, sometimes. And bad stuff, sometimes.”
She is a bad person but when standing next to bojack any body will appear like a saint Also helps that she was given a second chance in the end and changed to be a better person
i think her lows are “normal” ones, for lack of a better word. her mistakes are ones that could be made by anyone put in her situations
Season 1 end with BJ asking to Diane “Am I good person?” After watching entire show for couple of times, there’s no such thing as like “Bad person” or “Good person”
Nobody is good or bad. They’re just living their lives. They do bad things and good things. Cuz that’s life.
Her lows aren’t as low as the lows of some other characters I guess.
Aren’t moral debates supposed to work by a thing starting neutral and having to start by arguing it’s wrong? It’s hard to say why not other than she hasn’t done much wrong compared to other characters. All that immediately comes to mind is the Int Sub scene and being involved in Peanutbutter’s cheating. There’s probably more and those things are bad and she is a flawed person but I can’t see those things as making her a bad person, especially for Bojack standards. She is possibly morally best of the main 5 asside from Todd.
She is probably the worst person on the show in my view.
Edit: Main cast
I can’t imagine there’s anyone who hates Diane that’s a better person than her. She’s got major flaws but she also sacrificed her well being to help refugees, subjected herself to public criticism and death threats to stand up for rape victims, wrote books that helped thousands of people, and was the most essential person to both Bojack’s and PB’s growth.
Everyone fucks up along the way, especially people from broken homes, but probably no one on this subreddit hating on Diane can claim to have done more to help people than her.
No one is truly a good person on the main cast
Everyone is flawed there, however she is probably the best overall there lmao
Diane is the POV character to Bojack’s world for the first few seasons and she’s arguably the “least worst” of the main cast so some people tend to see her as the “good guy” of the show.
But Diane herself spells out a major theme of the show, that there aren’t inherently good or bad people. Just people who make choices, sometimes they make positive choices and sometimes they make negative choices, and then they have to deal with the consequences.