Just finished the show for the 4th time and Diane’s and Bojacks conversation on the roof in the last episode always makes me think. Diane seems to actually not want to talk to him again because she doesn’t really respond to his question but I feel like they would be the kind of friends who talk like once a year about literally everything. It’s hard to imagine them not even catching up or smth. But maybe Diane actually wants him out of her life for the well-being of the both of them?What do you think?
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Diane doesn’t live in LA anymore. She’s there specifically for a wedding. She’s married, she has a life, she’s basically a different person by the time she sees Bojack at the wedding and it’s assumed they didn’t speak from the last time before he ODed in the pool, up until the wedding.
He did something extremely cruel and selfish. He promised her he would be okay if she left LA. He promised her and told her he wasn’t going to hold her hostage and encouraged her going to Chicago. Then he relapsed, hard and when he called her while fucked up he threw it in her face and made it her fault if he died because she wasn’t there for him.
I wouldn’t forgive him either
As bojack said : [if the show is not over] You never get a happy ending 'cause there’s always more show.
Now that the show is over, you can imagine your happy ending, whether it’s diane and BH finally being able to be friend whithout being toxic, or both of them never seing each other and not suffering from it… or what you want
It’s hard to imagine anyone having a “friend breakup” like that. You don’t need to break up with people you don’t live with and have intrinsic commitment to. It’s just Diane-y shit.
I mean, she didn’t break up with him? Bojack was the one who awkwardly raised the idea of them never speaking again, clearly looking for reassurance from Diane that of course they’d speak again - and she just didn’t give him that. She didn’t plan to end things with him, she just didn’t lie and tell him they were still friends, when he (subtextually) asked her if they were.
Yeah, I mean, in their time apart she realized that them being friends wasn’t good for her. She hadn’t talked to him since his voicemails, and the process of dealing with that made her not want to be friends with him. This scene was the point that shows that she isn’t friends with Bojack anymore, and it’s her choice. If you don’t want to call it “breaking up” with him that’s fine I guess. Clearly by popular vote it’s decided.
Yes, that’s why it’s in there
If they speak again, my assumption is that it’d be at a funeral for a mutual friend, and that it will be far more awkward than the series finale. Although a Mr. Peanutbutter wedding would be a much happier instance. Or if Bojack is involved with a television adaptation of her stories, if his career makes any sort of comeback at all. That’s another more hopeful possibility for them talking again.
I’d think if she had any kind of creative control she’d keep Bojack out of any projects of hers. For both of their sakes, really.
The show is fundamentally about their friendship, and it ending is the end of the show.
I mean what they said and how they acted to each other aside, if we take the lyrics of the song used literally at any level, she loves him but has to go now and it doesn’t leave a lot of room for reconnection
For her sake, I hope she remains committed to no contact. People get only so many chances to be good and be better to you. After that, both parties should learn from their mistakes and move on to find new people. Leave the baggage behind.
Even the creator of the show in interviews talks about an underlying theme of BoJack Horseman being that people come into our lives and leave, and that’s OK. No one is destined or meant to stick around forever. Enjoy and learn from them, but move on when it stops working (stops being healthy).
The scene lives rent free in my head. As someone who’s had to step away from friendships because I realized our connection wasn’t benefiting our growth as people, it’s just so painful to walk away.
I think it was the last sort of “full” conversation they had, but they probably had run into each other after and engaged in small talk
i think it was the last one. in-universe, because Diane has moved on, and in a meta sense because the show started when they met, so it has to end when they talk for the last time
In a way the show is a record of their friendship from beginning to end.
She’s a different, happier, better person now and I think she realises that part of why that is is because Bojack isn’t in her life. I think she cares about him but doesn’t want anything to do with him anymore.
Having lived a somewhat similar moment, I think probably not. But this is the last time either of them will seek the other out specifically, and even when they bump into each other down the road it will be more like strangers who recognize each other than old friends reuniting.
A bit earlier in the season there’s a scene where Mr. PB is shown talking on his cellphone to Diane when she’s already living in Chicago, and they speak in a way that makes it clear that, despite no longer being connected in any romantic terms or even being a part of each other’s daily lives, they still consider each other a friend and they keep in touch, and they’ll probably keep in touch in the future even if not as often.
That’s literally the opposite of the vibe given off by her last conversation with BoJack.
Yeah, it seemed pretty clear she wanted nothing to do with him
I really do think the ending scene between Bojack and Dianne gave their relationship a sense of finality. I think it was made clear throughout the show that Bojack and Dianne were very codependent and toxic together. This is evident by the fact that whenever they would have close contact with each other, they would both spiral into a drunken and depressed state. Bojack brought the worst out in Dianne. Dianne stuck around because firstly she desired to feel needed/wanted by someone. It was also evident that Dianne felt she couldn’t help herself, so she tried to “fix” Bojack by being there for him when he didn’t deserve it. Secondly, Dianne’s self destructive streak most certainly found solace in Bojack’s nihilistic attitude. Bojack and Dianne never speaking again points towards Dianne healing once and for all. By severing her relationship with Bojack she is essentially cutting ties with her baggage and destructive tendencies. Bojack and Dianne ending their friendship for good is poetic in a sense. At least for me anyway