mark was getting clobbered by fucking maulers 3 episodes ago now he’s able to beat a full grown soldier viltrumite that’s been conquering worlds for millennia just because he “stopped holding back”. Even Nolan who got hospitalized by the guardians while soloing them, only suffered a cut on his head fighting THREE viltrumites!!! Just makes them look weak in comparison. I feel like they shouldn’t even have any chance winning that battle at all, not alone surviving in better condition than against way weaker foes
Yeah I felt the same way, and if I’m not misremembering the comics handled this part way better. Mark got his ass completely handed to him by the viltrumites and Nolan made it clear he needed to start exercising and practicing to even be able to stand a chance against the viltrumites next time. It made them such a foreboding threat and you really dreaded the next time he would meet one. No idea why they would change it to have Mark beat one at this point, it just seems like such a story breaking change.
Its not about the being Weak its about Mark being strong
Ok, I’m done engaging with this non-argument, bro almost got killed by maulers and no it’s not because he was “holding back”, holding back doesn’t mean you just sit and let people kill you. He was clearly struggling against maulers and suffered more damage
But he was one of his lines is “Even Maulres didnt deserve this” he was still whooping ass on casual til he got jumped
Reiterating one point for 13 hours hoping someone eventually agrees with you SCREAMS insecure dude lmao
Except no one is refuting that point, I’m reiterating it because you people are that stupid that it doesn’t occur to you that “holding back” doesn’t mean you sit and let people beat you up while taking damage, why can’t mark simply get them off him without killing them? You actually think with your own brain and refute the argument
So you would rather have the story end there? This is a story driven comic. Everything doesn’t need to make sense 100%. It’s to make it interesting. What’s with people being obsessed with it making sense? We are talking about characters that regularly lose gallons of blood, fly into outer space, breed with insect aliens…get over it
I agree with you but by omnimans logic if mark holding back, he definitely could’ve killed the maulers.
I don’t think it should matter if he holds back or not! These are 1000 year old full blooded viltrumite warriors mark shouldn’t stand a chance at all
Two things:
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Remember all of Mark’s beatings? Those made him stronger; especially the more severe beatings. So that fight with Nolan, yeah, it beefed him up immensely.
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(Idk the validity of this but it would make sense) Adrenaline. Pure Viltrumites don’t have adrenaline. Mark is human, so he does have adrenaline. This means that he gets a huge boost in physical combat, and can overwhelm Viltrumites who don’t have the same ability.
Getting beat up doesn’t make Viltrumites stronger
Yeah I don’t know where people get this false info from. Viltrumites don’t have zenkai boost. The data book does not state that.
Does Marks recent stabbing count as a beating?
If it’s inside him than yes.
viltrumites don’t get stronger from beatings. Where does it state this in the official source material or data book? Nowhere. This isn’t dragon ball z.
Viltrumites dont get zenkais
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Comic Spoilers: >! Mark’s little brother, who’s established to be weaker than Mark, was able to rip the Maulers apart like wet tissue paper when he was still a child!<
So Mark definitely could have taken the Maulers if he wasn’t holding back.
That even proves my point more, how are wet tissues beating mark in a pool of his own blood? Why tf does it matter if you hold back against wet tissues? He was holding back that’s why they could pin him and beat him? Do you even know what holding back means? How tf are you the one getting beaten to death and you’re holding back? If that’s the case that’s very very stupid, you don’t have to kill someone to not get killed tf, and again they shouldn’t be able to damage him like you said they’re wet tissues, he should stand there while they try to harm him and he should take 0 damage, you don’t “hold back” durability
Fighting someone to just beat them in competition or defend yourself is way different to trying kill someone. He essentially had to shut the human in himself off in that moment and be a full cold blooded Viltrumite.
His brother is basically Damian Wayne. He goes full tilt on first hit and explodes them. Mark warns them that he’s holding back and can kill them, but then they swarm him immediately and incapacitate him. I’m a full grown man, but if 1000 kindergartners dogpile me, I’m not gonna be able to get up.
Ok but can 1000 kindergarteners beat you till the point you’re gushing a pool of blood and struggling to even free your arms? And the difference between mark and maulers should be way more than you and kindergarteners, he stopped meteors months after getting his powers and they’re struggling against robot regular suits
I think it’s more like Mark was initially holding back, and by the time he realized how serious the threat was it was too late. Happens all the time irl. I’m a black belt and sometimes when I try to go easy on someone they surprise me with something I wasn’t expecting. In a 1v1 it’s easy to dial it up but against 9(?) people that would be more difficult.
That’s an issue of unequal skill, not unequal strength. An unskilled opponent can still hurt you physically if you let them. A punch from a trained fighter or an average person can both give you a black eye.
But a viltrumite fighting the maulers is like you fighting a toddler. No matter how hard you hold back, the toddler is going to break your arm or do any serious harm. They might poke you in the eye or nab you in the nuts, and that will hurt, but you aren’t going to let them do it twice, no matter how hard you hold back.
Again, you can’t hold back durability
Some things aren’t about the physical durability of the bodily substance but rather of structural mechanics. It doesn’t matter how resistant your flesh is if you still have joints with limited range of motion and that means your arms can be dislocated.
You just said a WHOLE lot of nothing😭no need to try sound smart for no reason. Legit got nothing to do with what I was saying anyway
Mark doesn’t want to kill and he is willing to take a beating to prove that. I honestly don’t see this as a problem. As it shows mark is actually really really strong instead of weak. Maybe because of his hybridization.
There are supposed to be differences between individual viltrumites. We already know Nolan is built different than the other three, so it’s reasonable for Mark to take one of them imo.
Mark barely stood a chance. He nearly died
Lmao he literally beat her tf are you even talking about?? He only hesitated to kill her but HE won that fight! He didn’t win against the maulers or reanimen, he had to be saved…even though he won, he actually didnt. He got saved. The first big fight he actually did win, is against a viltrumite…that comparison alone makes them look way weaker
I said he would beat the maulers not the Viltrumites.He should have lost.
Well it’s not even about beating the maulers, it’s about how much damage the maulers did to him compared to the viltrumites…viltrumites should’ve done significantly more damage regardless of whether he was holding back or not in ANY of the fight, the power difference should be way way way above that scale
That’s like saying the guardians of the globe nearly beating Nolan is making him look weak.
No I’m saying them nearly killing him and hospitalizing him, compared to viltrumites only giving him a cut on the head…makes THE VILTRUMITES look weak, omniman has already calculable feats and the fact the guardians could damage him as much as they did speaks to their strength, the viltrumites should’ve fucked him up even worse if the idea is that they’re so powerful they only need 1 to conquer planets, and no, the sneak attack doesn’t count because Nolan was already guards down
Nolan is apparently well known among viltrumites, the ones that confront him on thraxan say “so this is the great Nolan.” So he has a reputation as a powerful fighter even among viltrum, and there’s nothing to say any of the viltrumites that attack him were as old as him or as powerful.
I think this really comes down to you not liking the scene, which is fine, but ultimately nothing is out of place or wrong. Mark has been seeing noticeable growth throughout the series and viltrumites get stronger as they get the shit kicked out of them, similar to Allen and saiyans from dbz.
Thula was shown during the great purge in s1 and Nolan was born after that
Marks a half breed he’s on that Gohan shit.
Also Omni man had to let the Guardians rough him up. He woulda looked even more guilty if he was there and didn’t have a scratch. He had to sell his story so he needed to take an ass whooping
Edit: but don’t listen to me. I’m just a burger mart trash bag
Ok, they were still damaging him…their punches were doing damage to his body whether he wanted it or not, there’s a difference between letting someone beat you up and you actually suffering injuries from it, HE GOT HOSPITALIZED TF
I was just throwing my opinion out there. Wasn’t saying I’m right or anything. Just joining the discussion. You make good points
This makes sense, though. You, as a grown adult (I’m assuming) are likely 2/3x stronger than a 10 year old child. But if you allowed a 10 year old to punch you in the face and use weapons to hit you, you’d still feel and take damage despite the fact that you could also one hit kill/ko them.
Except mark has shown to be way stronger than just 2/3x maulers and could’ve easily got them off him without killing them, idk why peoples excuse is just “he’s holding back” holding back doesn’t mean you sit there and take a beating when you’re clearly taking damage. He could’ve just gotten them off him if he’s suppose to be strong enough to take a viltrumite in 3 episodes into the future
Okay, there are two types of holding back. There is,
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Conscious holding back. This is, for example, with say Superman or Spider-Man against normal thugs. They have to consciously pull their punches or else they are going to cave someone’s skull in. Then there’s,
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Unconscious holding back. This is when someone calls on way more strength than they believed originally had in a moment of crisis. This is like in Spider-Man Homecoming when Peter gets trapped by the rubble and is calling for help. He’s not choosing not to lift it. He just believes that he’s at his limit and genuienly can’t lift it. This holding back generally leads to a rush of insane strength when they finally stop holding back since he didn’t know he was that strong before.
Mark’s is the second type. He didn’t know he was that strong against the Maulers. He thought he was genuinely outgunned. But if it took three Viltrumites to go after Nolan, then it’s safe to assume he’s stronger than the others. So it stands to reason that Mark, even an inexperienced one, can call on immense strength. We also see him and Mark switching off, so Nolan was beating on her too. On top of that, he still lost. Whether he had her beat or not, he still needed Nolan’s help at the end to not die.
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Since Mark is half Human he should have a little shorter livespan than a average viltrumite. Omniman says Viltrumite DNA is so Dominant that he should be nearly full viltrumite. So maybe his human DNA lets his powers develop way faster than a 100% pure Viltrumite would. At some point of the comics they say that Humans could be the ideal match for viltrumites.
It’s stated on the comics that viltrumite DNA is so aggressive mark is basically 97% viltrumite.
Yeah I think the same. I like most of the changes, but I feel like the comic nailed the Viltrumite’s strength better. Mark didn’t beat the viltrumites, he survived.
The scene where Mark tried to fly away from Lucan as well as him basically keeping one viltrumite occupied while Nolan did damage I think was just better in this regard. Mark was able to barely survive, but that’s already amazing and it clearly shows how threatening the viltrumites are.
The downvotes are stupid. You’re right. He SURVIVED😂 if that fight was sole 1v1 mark wouldnt have gotten the hint to just “let go” nolan had to get it through his head, if mark was by himself he wouldve fucking died
Yeah I think the same. I like most of the changes, but I feel like the comic nailed the Viltrumite’s strength better. Mark didn’t beat the viltrumites, he survived.
The scene where Mark tried to fly away from Lucan as well as him basically keeping one viltrumite occupied while Nolan did damage I think was just better in this regard. Mark was able to barely survive, but that’s already amazing and it clearly shows how threatening the viltrumites are.
Did we watch the same show? Lmao, dude popped for a SECOND and had to get saved by his dad moments later.
And he only got popped because he showed her mercy, argument is against her being at his mercy
I don’t think you even know what your argument is lol
Ok, when you’re ready to engage with what I said I’ll respond
Likewise
Mark holds back a lot against any enemies besides viltrumites, it’s not the same as a normal fight
remember when mark moved like the flash to turn off the light before sex with amber?
yeah, he is DEFINATELY holding back.
Speed does not equal strength. And that said, full-grown Viltrumites are faster than Mark.
Yh, and he’s a 17 year old half blood. You don’t need that many braincells to know full blooded thousands of year old world conquering viltrumites move way faster lmao
He isn’t a half blood though. Viltrumite DNA is so strong he’s basically full blooded
No, he’s “nearly” full blooded, and even if he was full blooded, this is a 17 year old viltrumite was essentially 0 experience against a viltrumite and got clobbered by the first 1 he fought, vs a 1000s of year old WARRIOR viltrumite…this would be a 6 year old child vs a 60 year old woman, regardless if they’re the same species, this should be a heavily 1 sided fight
It’s a high school athlete vs like a UFC fighter.
That’s relative to ambers perspective though isn’t it?
I would too
Well to be fair, Nolan and Mark mostly got to 1v1 the Viltrumites. Mark got jumped by like a dozen Maulers, and we can assume his base inclination is to hold back, at least subconsciously, which also led to him getting absolutely stopped by his Viltrumite opponents. Lucan(?) held him down by the head with a finger.
Also you said “I don’t think powerscaling matters beyond its service to the plot” that’s literally the definition of plot convenience
Plot conveniences are the natural evils of any story. As much as stories are (usually) intended to make us forget, they are just a set of points to entertain us and send a message.
What people view as a “plot convenience” is just when that reality is obvious. It is true that it being obvious should be avoided (unless the story uses it otherwise), that shouldn’t come at the sacrifice of the entertainment and message.
Mark being beat up by the Maulers and finally standing his own against a Viltrumite are both important moments to the entertainment and message of the show. While it can be viewed as being an obvious moment where both needed to happen for the plot, the service to entertainment and message is greater.
I mean, I don’t think the situation in the show is anywhere near inorganic enough for me to think they should have prioritized back of the toy box stats over their storytelling goals
Lmao well he beat 1 just by “not holding back” that greatly reduces the threat they pose, like he said he couldn’t even beat his father…he didnt even have time to train, it should be impossible to even harm anyone on his dads level when he was bodied by maulers, and idk why you people keep acting like it matters how many maulers there were, lmao viltrumites should be able to swat them like flies, just more flies in this case. Yh the Lucan power scaling was better imo, like how did 1 hold him with a finger and he’s beating the next 1 till the point she has to rely on his mercy to beat him
he didn’t beat her
He got an upperhand, and then she almost killed him
Nolan also punched her at least a couple of times, so even then it wasn’t a real 1v1
She is also old and slim, so she is probably the weakest of the 3
Realistically, what would Mark do in that final scene of the battle? Punch her head? The same way he did throughtout the whole fight? Neither of the previous punches killed her. Why should this one be different?
Mark didn’t beat anyone
He just survived long enought for Nolan to beat hear
I guess you missed the part where a Viltrumite broke Nolan’s back while holding his own guts
Yeah, they really fucked the power scaling imo. Mark and Nolan have both been on extreme ends of the spectrum . That or the guardians and immortal got a VERY serious power buff.
Right?
Yes, the guardians got a buff.
I feel that it was a very purposeful and thought out choice to make mark much stronger in this fight. I think in adapting this story to tv, the writers realize that viewers actually want to feel like characters are going places and becoming developed. The target audience for a tv show is much less patient than a comic audience so they need them to realize that characters are building up and not as seemingly weak as they were in the last season.
Then I wonder why they started the season with mark getting fucked up by maulers in a pool of his own blood and needed to be saved instead of yunno, showing he’s leveled up and way more powerful than last season…but nah all of a sudden he’s leveled up because of plot, that’s called plot convenience
Because when he’s against the maulers he’s holding back.
His dad is finally getting to him and teaching him how to fight like a Viltrumite.
He was also handling the Maulers just fine until Levy brought in 10x as many. It was a numbers game, and Mark was at the disadvantage
I’m not a comic reader (yet) so maybe that affects my opinion, but why would anyone want punching bag Mark back? I was so tired and bored of it. I’m glad he’s powered up, just in time to (I’m assuming) get his ass kicked by the more powerful Viltrumites. I’m glad he’s at least barely stronger than the fodder.
Lmao you ask that question but he started the season as a punching bag, how’s he a punching bag when fighting maulers and needed to be saved, but then against a viltrumite who should be the biggest threats of the show, that’s when he levels up like immediately. At least start the season with him taking literally 0 damage from maulers even though they jumped him
I forget, but wasn’t he fighting a bunch of the maulers? Also, “stop holding back” still applies there. And then against the viltrumites, he really spends most of the time distracting (getting his ass kicked) while Nolan gets the real hits in. Mark really only has one impressive sequence where he probably catches the girl off guard when he stops holding back.
I’m not sure what part seems so crazy. He’s the son of one of the most powerful viltrumites, it makes sense that he’d be stronger than the fodder, even at a young age.